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#1616570
Sep-19-2009 09:16 PM
| Well, what I would do is become president of Russia, give a speech to all of Europe telling them that I'm going to make a single country all over Europe. Whoever joins me will be part of my army. Then, I would start a war with whatever country didn't join, and I would most likely win. Finally, I'll name the country Edison. The capital is Edison City at the point the Siene River flows into the English Cannel. What would you do? Will you win? Will you lose? And I am NOT threatening China, but I would give China Siberia though. |
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Edited: 09/19/2009 at 10:44 PM by SoltStan
#1616587
Sep-19-2009 10:28 PM
| With this situation you could most likely lose. With china as a neighbor, if they get threatened that is 1/6+ of the worlds population coming at you, plus i am sure many rebellions will be started if you won the initial war. |
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#1616602
Sep-19-2009 10:52 PM
| Well Emporer of France didn't cut it, and neither did Fürher of Germany. Although, both failed at invading Russia in the winter, so you may actually be onto something with starting as President of Russia. If you attempt this, do me a favor. Invade Switzerland first. It's been far too long since they've been in a war.  Oh, and good luck.  |
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#1616608
Sep-19-2009 10:56 PM
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#1616614
Sep-19-2009 11:21 PM
| Obvious.
Don't invade Russia in the winter! Or at all! Perhaps Napolean would have conquered all of Europe if not for that defeat. I think it was stated in one of the Ender's Shadow series books that anytime someone tries to invade the Russian heartland, they fail. Miserably. |
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#1616677
Sep-20-2009 03:21 AM
| i dont know you guys i mean if the EU gets every country in europe (or atleast most of them) it could become a super country with all of the previous countrys becoming states..... So the EU is unifing europe without war |
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#1616699
Sep-20-2009 04:13 AM
I hope you will have strongholds in the Ukraine. |
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#1616707
Sep-20-2009 04:43 AM
| You'd have problems in the Balkans because the people there are so nationalistic and do not like outsiders ruling over them. They had been fighting for centuries for their own little countries. World War I started because some nationalists did not like an outsider empire ruling over their homeland. That area was at war in the '90s because each ethnic group wanted a piece of land for themselves. |
#1616709
Sep-20-2009 04:55 AM
| I think it's a fantastic idea! The only alternative is to convince Canada to join you and call it Crussia. Not only would you be you uniting the two largest land masses, but we'd be on top! |
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#1616754
Sep-20-2009 08:02 AM
| Firstly, Britain would resist - and I would lead the resistance, and America and China wouldn't let it happen.
Edison is a terrible name. Edison only brings one name to mind, that of Thomas Edison... who was American. Europeans wouldn't like that. I'd go for the United States of Eurasia  (if the whole of Russia is to be included)
MadMayorHK: As far as I know, England have never tried to conquer Europe. France maybe, but not the whole of Europe. Neither have we tried to unite the whole of Europe politically. Britain is one of the more Euro-sceptic countries of the EU... sadly. I would start in Britain. I would make the Queen of England the Queen of Europe. All European states would have to pay 50% of their GDP to the capital (London), who can spend that tax in the British Isles to make it more lovely - I know, it's hard to believe that Britain could be made more lovely. I would welcome Canada back into the New British Empire. Seriously though, I like the slow and steady progression of the EU. I even don't mind the capital being in Belgium. Brussels is quite a nice place. By keeping all of the constituent states as independent you reduce the effect of stupid nationalists, but by making decisions on a Europe wide basis you help to keep the union moving in the right direction, acting as an effective single economy. I'm proud to be a free English, British European. I wouldn't be so proud to be a North West Edisonian  |
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#1616758
Sep-20-2009 08:32 AM
| Oh my god. You should read more about european history or history in general and more about politics, too. Your plans are pretty unrealistic... and Edison City (sounds ridiculous btw)? Why should Russia want a united Europe? It is better for them to have lot's of small countries... a united Europe would be way stronger than around 50 single states. These were also the concerns of England or France in 1990 when Germany got united again - they feared that a united Germany would be too strong. Then again think of the NATO, don't you think that the USA would intervene if Russia declares war on Europe? We would have a 2nd Cold War. So to sum it up: Your ideas are pretty *****ty. |
#1616761
Sep-20-2009 08:45 AM
| Europeans are to diverse to be put in a single country,
next to that il make you a tactical analesys of what would happen, Russia would be on its own, as the Modern Russian Federation and it would be facing the all out might of NATO. while back in the 1970's this might have been a fair fight, but right now most of eastern europe has joined up with NATO, Including Poland. the russians are having close relations with Belarus and after some negosiations they might be able to skip true their territory. but by then SACEUR would probebly be on to what is happening. The polish army would have mobilised, and since there are american units in eastren europe aswell, youd probebly reach a statlemate right there and then. next to that the Americans, French and British all have Nuclear/ Chemical weaponry, so it would be very VERY stupid to even attempt such an invasion, next tot that its a long way into france. and by then the russian army, would probebly be defeated before they come into germany, as NATO has quite some resources and is rather alot larger then it was back in the cold war. |
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#1616817
Sep-20-2009 11:27 AM
| Russia and the EU are two completly different worlds, so a scenario where Russia wants to unify Europe is completely unrealistic. It would be more likely when France or Gemany wants to start this. By the way, there are even large differences in the countries theirselfs. Take Belgium for example. This country is divided in a french and flemish half. Unlike in the US, there's a large cultural difference between the existing countries, which makes unification even harder. So unifying Europe seems not a good idea to me, although I'm not completely against it. I think it's realistic until a certain level. Good co-orperation between the countries seems the best solution to me. Best, Maarten |
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#1616831
Sep-20-2009 11:54 AM
| Well I would start by declaring that its a very american thing to be a small country, and then all the european nations would unite into one big nation so as not to be like america. Simple enough |
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#1616887
Sep-20-2009 03:37 PM
| Too many nationalists in Europe to make an effective amalgamated country.
What would be the primary language? Religion? Cultural activities? There are way too many variables, and you can rest assured that hundreds of millions of people would revolt. |
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#1616930
Sep-20-2009 05:51 PM
What would be the primary language? Klingon. Pastafarianism. Quidditch. Just make revolting illegal. |
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#1616987
Sep-20-2009 07:56 PM
| This is the single most whacked idea ever since Cherry Coke. Europe is too varied to make into one country. If it were to happen, thered be no more England and us Aussies can get the peace & quiet we deserve. It will also mean the ABOMINATION OF CRICKET! yay! |
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#1617023
Sep-20-2009 09:11 PM
| I just named my new region Edison....weird.....but I think that's a horrible idea. |
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#1617134
Sep-21-2009 02:51 AM
| Even the Americans cannot agree on what makes a united country. When the United States was born, it was a loose federation of 13 semi-independent states. Even after a strong Federal government was put into place, states still insisted in running their own affairs. States' rights was a popular cry throughout parts of U.S. history, and it's becoming a popular cry again as people become increasingly dissatisfied with the Federal Government. If you think the Civil War was supposed to have taken care of the problem of secession, think again. There are now small but growing separist movements in places such as Vermont, the Pacific Northwest, Hawaii, and Texas, where the governor hinted at secession. There's also a group that wants to reunite Texas and the Southwestern U.S. with Mexico. |
#1617144
Sep-21-2009 03:42 AM
| The first thing I would do is to develop a large free trade zone with one unified currency. With business flowing freely accross the borders, no longer having to go through multiple customs laws, a unified business market would develop. Next I would set up a governing council to resolve intra-European business/monetary disputes. With free trade crossing borders, all european citizens in this union, also would be freely crossing the fast fading international borders of old. The next step would be to change NATO military into a european continental military and attempt to push out or have non-european nations like the US and Canada from having leading roles in it. Also at the same time, I would start to downsize the current individual control of militaries of the continent, and move the control of them into an unified european defense force. Like the USA military system from 1775-1914, states had individual armies that the Fed Gov took control over in the time of war or emergency. Now with business, citizens, and the military thinking European instead of old nationalistic thoughts, it is now time to weaken the member governments to give up more and more powers to a central europe government. At about this point, we would have mirrored what the United States of America was like from 1787-1865. Now sometime in the near future after all this, we would need a european felt incident that would propel individual governements to give up their last sole independence to the SupraEuropean nation-state, a United States of Europe would then be fully realized. A war, terror attacks, or viral outbreak would set this into stone. Just like the USA from 1865-1914. BUT Europeans know that they will always be independent and not give up their soveriegnties by allowing a free trade zone or unifiing its currencies, OR would they? |
#1617176
Sep-21-2009 07:23 AM
I think you're forgetting something! Cricket is played more outside of Europe than it is in Europe. Simply by eliminating the sport in Europe would have little to no effect on the sport throughout the world. Take India, Pakistan, Australia, South Africa, the West Indies New Zealand and Zimbabwe out of the world then you might get rid of it... but that's a quarter of the world! Cricket is here to stay! Even in a united Europe where Britain doesn't exist any more there would still be a proportion of people from the British Isles who love a game of cricket. Cricket on this continent will outlast all wars, unifications and disasters so long as there are people left in these isles. Who knows, it might even spread through a united Europe to become a symbol of the new nation... an ancient, peaceful and intelligent game for gentlemen and gentlewomen from the ancient, not-so-peaceful (historically), and intelligent continent. In fact, I would make cricket the president of the new united Europe. All decisions can be made by having a quick game of 20/20. Big decisions though, should be made over a full test match - but let's just hope it doesn't rain Cricket never did anyone any harm  now say you didn't mean it  |
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#1617208
Sep-21-2009 11:02 AM
| Here's how I would do it:
SoltStan is right, begin with Russia. Split Russia up into four countries: Chechnya, Yakutska (everything in the Far Eastern Federal District), Siberia (Urals and Siberian Federal District) and the remainder as just Russia. After Russia is dissolved, form a new Democratic Republic consisting of New Russia, Finland, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova and Romania. Request accession into the EU. The key thing with this is it would take at least 16 years. After accession in the EU is granted, pass an "FDR" law saying that it is possible for the leader to keep power until re-voted. You would need to be clever with your politics, though. Maintaining a flawless diplomatic relation with the nations of Western and Northern Europe would be the best bet at this. If all goes well, becoming the president of the EU is the next step. Invite representatives from every country in Europe to a voting session. Poll them, going by majority, and not by country. With so many capitals to choose from, it would be best to choose a neutralized one, such as Bern, Monaco, Helsinki or Podgorica. Having a nationalist capital such as Paris, Rome, Belgrade, Berlin, or London will cause many problems. For the candidates I chose above as neutral, they are the capitals of nations at peace, have a heavily varied ethnic basis, and are small cities. In order to keep an independent nature, every country encompassing more than 1,000 square miles should also be allowed their own free district, letting them take charge of local government. |
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#1618256
Sep-23-2009 09:30 PM
That's why you are suppose to practice with Sid Meier's Civilization. Mein Feld ist die Welt! First that anschluss with Österreich, and then Czechoslovakia. Democracies never come to the aid of countries whose names they can't spell. After the non-aggression pact with Russia and the dividing of Poland into secure spheres of influence, we set our sights through the Low Countries into France. Heute Europa, Morgen die Welt! Let's just hope our ally Japan doesn't do anything foolish... Wait, how did that weak spearman destroy my armor unit? What do you mean they are rioting in Frankfurt again--didn't I build a Temple there?! How the heck did Gandhi get nuclear weapons?!? Arrgh, stupid AI cheats!!! Conquering the world is making me hungry...I want a Double Whopper, Medium Fries, and a Sprite! |
Edited: 09/24/2009 at 01:28 AM by Odainsaker
#1618319
Sep-24-2009 01:17 AM
| I'd take small, manageable steps towards greater economic and diplomatic cooperation over the course of fifty years, gradually eliminate barriers to the movement of goods and people throughout the continent, establish a continent-wide set of health, safety, and labeling standards, slowly admit other European countries as they reach a predetermined level of economic and social development, and finally establish a common currency that can perhaps one day replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.
Oh wait. |
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#1618814
Sep-25-2009 01:31 AM
| Its just stupid. Europe has too many different cultures, (clashing) religions, population, and languages. It might have worked for the US, China, Russia, and Canada, but keep in mind that they were united in language and culture. Also much of these countries are uninhabited like Canada's north, Americas Great Plains, Russia from the Ural Mountains easward, And Alot of China thaks to the Gobi Desert. |
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#1618855
Sep-25-2009 04:25 AM
| Even the Roman Empire, which ruled much of the known world in its heyday, could not conquer all of Europe. The Roman Army was routed in the Teutoburg Forest when it tried to conquer Germany in A.D. 9. |
#1619131
Sep-25-2009 08:55 PM
| StanSolt is correct, become president of Russia. Then, become part of the European Union and get to an agreement with the head of the EU, and make a country, name it the United States of Euro, and the capital is Vista City. |
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